Aviation News – NASA’s new WB-57F, N927NA, flies for the first time in 41 years

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   henry wilburn on 25/05/2018 at 08:51

   I was assistant crew chief on the RB-57-F at Kirkland AFB with the 57 WRS from 64 – 66 My favorite aircraft to work on

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   ROLAND R ATWELL on 17/07/2017 at 13:51

   Served at Kirtland AFB 1968-1971 Aircraft Maint 43171E. Several TDY”s to Mendoza, Panama and Alaska.
   SSGT R.Atwell

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     Donald Brady on 09/03/2018 at 15:02

     Was there at the same time as you. Ncoic on second shift . Met/ARE
     Sgt D. Brady

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   Norman Taylor on 01/11/2016 at 22:43

   I have a hard bound book on the 58th WRSQ F TROOP lots of people pictures and a/c . List all the CO’s up to 1973-1974/ Lt.Col James A. Watkins was first CO 1953 to 1957, with last co Col Thomas M. Strohl .1973-1974. I’ve photographed these aircraft for many years. Thought I’d mention this in case you might need some help in this area. For 65 years I’ve photographed military a/c from all over the globe. Flew on EC-47Ps in Vietnam with the 36lst TEWS. Norm Taylor in Sumter, S.C. .

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     Kevin Locht on 19/01/2020 at 13:08

     Did you engage with any of the Tropic Moon mission guys. Kevin Locht 850.259.7765

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     Bill Rosquist on 18/06/2024 at 21:54

     What year did you fly EC-47 in Nam. Very dear friend, Mike Wall, killed in shoot down around 1970 while I was with AC-47 in Udorn , Thailand.

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   Donald Brady on 12/06/2015 at 20:04

   I was in the 58th from Jan ’69 to Nov ’71 . WRE repairman . Loved the F model. Worked long hours on 295 replacing sampling equipment. Loved going TDY to Panama and Argentina not so much to Fairbanks. It was 50 below 0.couldn’t go outside.

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   Kyle Laffoon on 14/05/2015 at 16:57

   I wonder which WB-57’s have been spotted flying in and out of Kandahar, Afghanistan?
   Have the engines been upgraded much? I’m sure there are better units available.

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   Gerry Flood on 23/12/2014 at 00:47

   I can still remember, as a 3 level GCA operator at Elmendorf, the first time I saw/heard one start. When I saw the black powder smoke I thought it had blown up.

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   James E Ballard Tsgt Ret on 17/12/2014 at 11:57

   I was a crew on those birds in 1957 . At Laughlin AFB TX.

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     LEON A PETRULIO on 07/09/2016 at 03:26

     Hello, James. Based at Laughlin till 13/8/57 and have always admired the performance of the B-57. It could be watched from the hill near the BX and would go straight out just off the deck for a few miles the climb straight up and out of site. Glad to hear from someone that knew these fine aircraft. Best, Tony

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   Neil on 17/12/2014 at 09:37

   Can someone let me know why the Canberra was selected for this activity? One would have thought there would have been a more modern airframe that could equally do the task? Btw the Royal Australian Air Force flew the Canberra for many years as a bomber aircraft.

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   CMSgt ret John R. Penz on 02/08/2014 at 03:57

   I was Life Support Superintendent from Oct 1964 to Sept 1973. The F was a beautiful bird, amazing to watch take off and fly by. The ap-22s-2 Full Pressure Suits were my biggest immediate problem. The suits were ADC hand me downs, all going over age. New suits were finally procured after numerous equipment failures, but depot support managed to keep the suits going pending replacements. The suits did their job on at least seven occasions of cockpit pressurization loss at altitude and allowed the crew to return safely to base. (Ask Max Schuerrman). Politics seemed to enter into the retirement of the Fs but it is great to see three of the Longwings still active with NASA, while the SR71s and soon the U-2/ER2s will no longer be flying. LONG LIVE THE LONGWINGS!!!! Little is said about the “Big Safari” “PEE WEE III missions and only recently has it become public knowledge that 287 which was lost in the Black Sea in Dec 1965, had indeed been struck by a “missile” but was not deemed a “Shootdown”. The crew was never recovered/returned to the US, and the report on the findings of a special team of aeronauticl Engineers that found evidence of a missile strike stated that the US Government did not want to “pursue it”! Info about this may be found in the book “The History of BIG SAFARI” by ret Col Bill Grimes published Jan 2014. The 58WRS and the RB/WB57F have never receieved the recognition they truly deserved. Now NASA is carrying the ball.

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     henry on 25/05/2018 at 08:17

     I was stationed there with the 58 WRS Assist crewchief on the “F” Model 1964 – 66 — The one shot down belonged to CIA I forget how many we had 10 or 12 —THEY WILL OUT FLY A U-2 FOR SURE

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     Bill (William L.) Davidson on 05/01/2023 at 14:29

     I flew as the NASA Mission Manager (back-seater) in the WB-57F (925) at NASA Johnson Space Center in 1971-1972. I was trained at Kirkland and flew there 6/8/71 as first training flight with pilot McCabe. I flew 2nd and last training flight 6/10/71 with pilot Newhart. You may have trained me in the full pressure suit there. It is funny I never had my picture taken in the suit or the aircraft. I was hired in to NASA mission control in 1961 and retired in Houston in 2004. My most fun assignment was my duty in the 57-F. I have an F-Troop metal plate. My most important service was in Mercury, Gemini and Apollo flight operations.

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    Mike Breslin on 21/09/2013 at 03:47

    I got there in Jan 62, discharged Feb 65, when it was still the 1211th Test Squadron (Sampling) before we became the 58th, and worked in Instruments and Nuke Apps. I was standing on the flight line when the first F we got had it’s first flight there. Will never forget that takeoff. Also, we could never get the fuel quantity gauges to work right in the D. Had to show the pilots it was topped off before hopping the pond. And the TDY’s! Sleeping on the Tarmac in Fiji, under the wings of a C-124 on our way to East Sale RAAF Base…”Dem were the days!”

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    Stephen Chapis on 20/09/2013 at 22:59

    Good day everyone, great story. I would like to hear more about the history of this aircraft. So, Mr Schuerrman, Schake, Avis, and Cook, would you gentlemen be so kind as to send me an email?

    flyboychappie@msn.com

    Regards,
    Stephen ‘Chappie’ Chapis

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    Aircraft Technician on 18/08/2013 at 17:45

    Not sure where the AMARG photo came from… This photo shows the aircraft in 1000-1500 series storage which was probably 20 years ago, when we recovered the aircraft from DM the aircraft was in 4000 series storage soon be recycled like the F100. The aircraft was dismantled and trucked on 3 flatbeds to Colorado for restoration where every wire, hydraulic line, and wing structural component was replaced with brand new parts fabricated for this effort. The wing tips could not be installed during the high speed taxi tests due to runway signage interfernece which were removed for the function check flight. Awesome to see the aircraft leave the bounds of terra firma once again.

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      Karl Drage on 18/08/2013 at 18:28

      The AMARG shot was taken on Celebrity Row in January 2009.

      Superb work – congratulations to everyone involved!

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    CMSGT John F Snelson on 16/08/2013 at 04:23

    I was the first sgt (MSGT) july 72 sepy 73 and it was a great sq. I departed the same day Col. Smith did. All you x 58th F troops should know that we have a reunion every year at Branson in June you can find info on line.

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    Max Schuermann on 15/08/2013 at 18:13

    I was in the 58th at Kirtland from March 1970 through March 1973. It is great to see #295 back in the air again. I was the back seat Nav that delivered #295 to MASDC (Tucson storage). No big deal but according to my Form 5 flight records we delivered the airplane on June 27th not the 26th. My entry says “June 27, RB-57F #295, O-5 mission of 2.5 hours. When we taxied 295 across the railroad tracks and down the road to the storage area it was a funny feeling to be going by all those “broke” airplanes. When I walked away from 295 I felt like I was dumping a little puppy along the side of the road. Treat her nice NASA, because she was always nice to me.

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      Tom Parent on 03/07/2015 at 17:02

      I am one of the pilots flying these WB’s at Ellington Field. 295 (we call her 927) is the jewel of the fleet, and recently completed flight test of a new autopilot that is now being fitted to our other 2 planes (926 and 928). I was privileged to have flown the first flight in the back seat after refurbishment. I had the honor of meeting Max a few months back when some members of the 58th visited us at Ellington. It was great to shake hands with the last one to have flown her 41 years earlier!

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        Don Hanselman on 10/08/2016 at 02:54

        Tom.
        Nice to see the Autopilot made it to the WBs. It makes flying a little easier I bet… Really grateful to be part of restoring the Anger Bird. It was a task and it came out as a 98% new bird. Proud of our hydraulics, Electrical, and Egress people for what they all did. They really didn’t get the recognition they deserved. It was a great time to retire after I saw N927 flew for first time in 41 years… As a NASA Quality Inspectors…it was a pleasure to see a safe aircraft fly.

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        Wesley Roediger on 03/06/2019 at 14:56

        I was the Lead Systems Engineer from SAIC on the project to develop the new autopilot. I was responsible for many upgrades to the functonallity that were beyond the original scope. The most significant were 1) Integration of AP/FD modes and flight director commands with the AP, 2) altitude pre-select and capture via the Altitude Alerter panel.

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          Gareth Stringer on 04/06/2019 at 12:48

          That’s great to hear, Wesley. Hope you enjoyed the article – it remains popular after all this time!

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    Ken Schake, Major USAF (Ret) on 15/08/2013 at 02:24

    I flew this aircraft. I arrived in Albuquerque in the summer of 1962 having just graduated from Nav School at Harlingen, TX. I flew the Ds for the last phase of nuclear testing out of Barbers Point and Johnston Island. I was there in 64 when the Doug Campbell brought in the first F. I was one of the first back seaters to be checked out. I flew it back to Hawaii and Johnston Island for an training exercise should nuclear testing restart. I also flew it out of all of our detachments, Eielson AFB, AK; Albrook AB, Panama; East Sale, Victoria, Australia; and Mendosa, Argentina. Overall, in A-B-C-D-E- and F models, I completed just over 1,000 hours in all models combined. We were measured by radar on day over Texas, level at 77,500 feet. I left the squadron in late spring 1966 with orders to Rhein Main AB, Germany. I included many stories about all the aircraft in my newly published book, “Pigeons to Peshawar”, Friesen Press. My title comes from ferrying a modified B-57B half-way around the world to Peshawar, Pakistan (which was home to 2 F-models by the way).

    A few comments about the pictures, which are great. I hope they were high speed taxi testing with the pictures showing the missing wingtips. Most likely the aircraft would have flown well without them.

    295 was the aircraft parked on “Show Row” at AMARG, the line where they showed off one of each of the aircraft in the boneyard. For many years, during the open house and airshow, they would tow it to the flight line for display. I even have a picture of me standing by the aircraft. The spot on show row is now vacant, although the bone yard still has a few Fs left in storage.

    Copies of my book can be ordered at http://www.friesenpress.com or downloaded from http://www.amazon.com

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      henry on 25/05/2018 at 08:33

      i was assistant crewchief on WB57F’s 1964-66..

      do you remember the one that landed in the cow pasture in ’65 & trucked back because they would not let us fly it out

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    hotsunghui on 14/08/2013 at 17:52

    I am missing the RB-57D….

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      henry wilburn on 25/05/2018 at 08:41

      good airplane but the wings kept falling off

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    Jack Frew on 14/08/2013 at 16:29

    Great work. There is so much aviation history, it’s good to see some people are working to kee it alive. Thank you!

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    CMS Denis C D Avis on 14/08/2013 at 02:45

    I was assigned to the 58th WRS from September 1968 through July 1972. I was first assigned as crew chief on aircraft 288. I went TDY many times with that aircraft as well as others. This squadron was famous for its TDYs. This squadron was the best of all my other assignments that I had over my thirty years of Air Force servicing. Col Folf and Col Click D Smith always brought everyone home for Christmas. In some cases that would be the only time you would see them. I remember one time returning from a 45 day TDY to Panama Canal zone and being met at the Air Craft by Col Derdon and being told to take my bags from that Air Craft and move them to a C-130 parked close by. I was to leave on another TDY to Portoreco for operation Bomax. I lucked out in that the C-130 was broke so I was able to go home and leave the next day. After crewing for a few years I was reassigned to the Iso Dock. From there I was reassigned to quality control. I was working there when Col Derdon landed at night. He called me at home and asked me to take a look at the aircraft horizontal stabiliser as it did not look right to him. When I arrived at work the next day I found that the horizontal stabiliser actuator had failed upon landing. Had it failed I flight he would have lost the aircraft. We found that the brass nut that ran up and down on the actuator screw had striped out allowing the stabiliser to fall to the full nose down position. With that all the aircraft had to have their actuator changed. I was placed in charge of this action. A few months later we had an aircraft fall from the sky as it was returning from altitude and crash on the top of the Manzono Mountains with the loss of both crew members. The first thing that came to my mind was that we had another actuator failure and the aircraft had gone into a mock tuck. With that I was assigned to the accident investigation team. After arriving at the crash sight by helicopter, I was able to rule that out. The actuator had not failed. I was on the mountain a few days later when I received my orders to go PCS to San Antonio Tx. I left a few days later. I only have great things to say about the 58th WRS men, women and the RB-57((F) aircraft. It is good to see they are still flying.

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      jack on 08/12/2013 at 21:16

      That airplane did get into Mach tuck during a presumably accidental overspeed. As a result of the tuck the overspeed increased and the aircraft fluttered; the fuselage failed immediately behind the wing. Both crew members were indeed killed. I conducted the flutter analyses on the aircraft in 1963 as a newly hired engineer at General Dynamics/Fort Worth. There were three incidents of flutter, the other two not resulting in loss of the aircraft. All three occurred at the predicted flight conditions.

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    Ken Bewley on 13/08/2013 at 07:18

    I am right in line with the runway at Ellington Field and I don’t even have to look up when a WB57 is flying over. Those engines are so distinctive sounding. I really do love it on the days they are doing touch and goes. I even have a WB57 Long Wing sticker on the back window of my truck. Someone told me that the plane actually makes money for the govt. gathering weather data.

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    Steve on 13/08/2013 at 01:27

    Awesome!It’s great to see these old birds finding a path to the sky once again..

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    Steve Brech on 12/08/2013 at 12:08

    Hi, did the WB-57f flights fly through the hurricanes for meteorological work in the 1960’s and 70’s or were they involved in capturing data from the radiation coming from various countries nuclear testing, very interested in knowing what was happening where. I realise they were being flown out if Guam and other Pacific islands but where else were they stationed?
    All the very best,
    Steve Brech
    Far North QLD, Australia

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      Norm Gross on 20/08/2013 at 22:52

      Google “57th Weather Rcon. Sq.”

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        Del Olson on 12/02/2014 at 00:47

        I was 57th WRS at Hickam. 65 – 67. Started as 55th weather Det 2. Haven’t heard from anyone that was from the 57th. I worked on the WB-57’s, WB-47’s, weather C-130’s. Supposed to have been stationed at Melbourne so I extended one year for the two year tour. Those orders were cancelled while on leave. Thought I was Nam bound but was very relieved with Hickam. Did some TDY at Clark AFB also. If anyone was with the 57th I’d like to hear.

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          Frederick Willis on 01/02/2023 at 17:22

          Del Olsen,
          I also was assigned to the 57th WRS (Det 2, 55th WRS) from January 1966 thru May 1970. I also thought that I was headed to Nam, when I received the Hawaii assignment. I worked Avionic Nav and Inertial Nav Systems and later became the Avionics Systems Quality Control Inspector. Before the Inspector assignment, I was TDY to Clark AB, PI three times. I worked the WB-47E’s and the RB-57F’S that came through on their way to General Dynamics, Fort Worth for cracked wing repairs. We also had a ’57 spend some time flying a mission out of Hawaii, that gave us a puzzle when the Doppler would fail shortly after take-off, but start to work once again during the approach to landing. We found a moisture layer on the circuit cards, that apparently was freezing at altitude shortly after take-off and shorting the signals, but did not cause a circuit breaker to pop; the Doppler was located in the unpressurized bomb bay and we couldn’t fix the the humidity of Hawaii. When we retired the last WB-47E in October 1969, the WC-135B’s would fly-in from McClellan AFB, CA to fly our missions. One of them had a plaque, on the bulkhead as you entered the cockpit, that said “This aircraft holds the record for carrying the most weight to the highest altitude in the shortest period of time”; it was the same aircraft that I worked at Rhein Main AB, Germany during Operation Big Lift in late 1963 – early 1964 when it was a new C-135B and one of the first jet cargo aircraft.
          I was Staff Sergeant Fred Willis during my Hawaii time. We also had a Staff Sergeant Frank Willis who was Avionic Com and was my sponsor when I arrived. We generated some confusion at times. I especially remember when the laundry tried to give me his uniforms one day; he was tall and I was short, so that wouldn’t have worked well.

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      Phil Dunn on 05/11/2013 at 22:32

      Steve – we flew over the hurricanes (I personally piloted an F model over Hurricane Lauren – my daughter’s name) in an F model in 1969 out of the 58 WRS. And we monitored the French and Chinese bomb tests from American Samoa with the same airplanes. Check out b-57canberra.org

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        Scott Saxon on 28/11/2013 at 14:42

        We flew INTO them with EC-121 Super Connies back then. VW1 out of Agana, Guam. But that’s another subject.

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    Joe Devenport on 10/08/2013 at 21:34

    I was a member of the 58 WRS from Jan 69 to Aug 72. I crewed, I think 286 for time. I think Paul McKey crewed 289. It is a very good airplane and I didn’t know it at the time, a very good sq with a lot of good people. I do miss them all.

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      Donald Brady on 09/03/2018 at 15:25

      Was there ‘ 69- ‘ 71 . The 58th is the only squadron I was assigned to.

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    CMS Denis C D Avis on 10/08/2013 at 20:02

    I was a crew chief with the 58WRS and worked on this aircraft and left the 58th shortly after it did In July of 1972.

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      Emmet Cook on 13/08/2013 at 02:03

      I was in the 58th from Jan 1969 to Aug 1972. I was Asst. Crew Chief on 3295 and later Crew Chief of 3295 before I was transfer to Docks. I served with a lot of great guys. Went TDY to Alaska, Panama, and Argentina. I will never forget those days or those great guys.

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